Monday, 30 November 2009

Switzerland Bans Minarets!

The population of Switzerland has voted to ban the building of minarets in its country.
The proposal to ban minarets, apart from the four existing ones, was put forward by the Swiss People's Party which said that minarets are a sign of "Islamisation" and that banning the tower-like structures, would assist in the elimination of extremist tendencies.

The government is now preparing itself for a potential backlash from Muslim groups both inside and outside of Switzerland.

Justice Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf said that a ban on the construction of new minarets was "not a rejection of the Muslim community, religion or culture."

So, essentially, what she is saying is that rejecting an important piece of Islamic traditional architecture is not actually "rejecting" it, it is just well......rejecting it!

Why not tear down the church towers as well? Or is that different?

Let me tell you something folks....and listen up good....this world is on its way into a state of turmoil and civil unrest like nothing we have ever seen before, and the sad part is that as a common people outside of religion, we are all being played as pawns in some sick game designed to bring us all together under one giant law - "for the good of us all".

It makes me lose sleep, my friends. It really does.

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

They're a racist lot over there, they are.

Swiss neutrality only applies in international politics I suppose.

-Omani in US

fred_says said...

stupidity. so they allow Yugoslavian refugees over to settle in their country on humanitarian grounds but dont allow them to practice their religion?

it's the extremist idiots that all sensible common folk have to watch out (whatever religion the extremists are), not people wanting to practice their religion peacefully. Muslims appear to be the new Jews of the West.

So, JD, where are you planning to live to ride out the revolution and climate change?

Anonymous said...

So why shouldnt they ban mosques and minarets? do you allow temples to start singing their prayer songs every morning in muscat? dont be hypocritical... have u imaginged the plight of people staying right next to that minaret? every evening when the mullah yells his heart out? noise pollution people... f u wont be so liberal about other religions and them having great architectrue and singing in muscat, dont talk ill when other nations do the same

fred_says said...

noise pollution is dealt with easily in many countries. there are rules that say in residential areas you cannot have noise above a certain level between sunset and sunrise.

"sounds" fair to me.

Jet Driver said...

"very evening when the mullah yells his heart out? noise pollution people"

If it was just about noise pollution, my anonymous friend, then they would just ban the howling from the top of the minaret.

This is about inciting hatred and anger from both sides of the religious fence.
Governments WANT us at each other's throats. Anyone with half a brain can see that!

Fred:
I'll be on a boat in the middle of the Pacific when the shit hits the fan. Armed with a year's supply of goods and an arsenal of automatic weapons in case anyone tries to get on board.

JD

Proud to be Christian said...

Why do you never ask the question - when will they allow a single church or temple to be built in Saudi Arabia ? Do you know it is illegal to even bring any picture of a Hindu or Christian deity there ?
Ask these questions before attacking the Swiss. I , for one , admire them for standing up to Muslim hypocrites.

Jet Driver said...

PTBAC

"Why do you never ask the question - when will they allow a single church or temple to be built in Saudi Arabia ?"

I hear you. But is it not the Christian way to be the first to offer the olive branch of peace and reconciliation, in the hopes that lasting change can be achieved through give and take?

"Ask these questions before attacking the Swiss. I , for one , admire them for standing up to Muslim hypocrites."

And surely the above comment is not very God-like or benevolent in any way!
What is hypocritical about Saudi?
They have their rules and they stick to them. Nothing hypocritical about that!

JD

Anonymous said...

To Jet Driver

I feel sorry for you. You have not understood the true malignant nature of islam.Their aim is world domination.
When they are in a minority in any country, they play the victim card and demand equal rights and special privileges[ eg any Western country , India, Thailand ] Whenever they are in a majority [ easily achievable given their mammoth birth rate ], they crush out the minority groups [ eg Egyptian Copts, Malaysia etc ].
Do not be so blinded by the Omani pieces of silver that you are paid in , that you cannot see their real aims.
History , both past, recent and very recent is full of examples that will bear me out.

Anonymous said...

Are the Swiss banning Islam? No
are the Swiss banning mosques? No

From Wikipedia (which may or may not be true):
The first mosques had no minarets, and even nowadays the most conservative Islamic movements, like Wahhabis, avoid building minarets, seeing them as ostentatious...

At mosques that do not have minarets, the adhan is called instead from inside the mosque or somewhere else on the ground.

Anonymous said...

JD says:
What is hypocritical about Saudi?
They have their rules and they stick to them. Nothing hypocritical about that!

So now the Swiss have their rule about minarets, and I guess they'll stick to it, so nothing wrong there either

Anonymous said...

Why do you never ask the question - when will they allow a single church or temple to be built in Saudi Arabia ?"

I hear you. But is it not the Christian way to be the first to offer the olive branch of peace and reconciliation, in the hopes that lasting change can be achieved through give and take?


To Jet Driver :

What more olive branches do the Muslims want ?
Are you aware of the situation in the once Great Britain, now brought to its knees by demanding Muslims.

Just a few of the demands of this group which have been pandered to-
- separate days set aside in COUNCIL OWNED swimming pools for Muslims
- Birmingham Council - issued a statement advising non Muslims to refrain from eating in front of Muslims in Ramadhan
- Tower Hamlets London - stoning of churches curiously reported as " hooliganism " by the timid local Police
- open calls for Sharia in UK, posting pictures of Buckingham Palace converted to a mosque
- Just google Anjum Chaudhary and see what he gets away with in the UK
- Muslim teachers allowed to wear full niqab while teaching . Defended by Cherie Blair
- Muslim workers in Tesco refusing to handle crates of beer and alcohol
- Muslim workers in Waitrose protesting against sale of pork
- demands by Muslim Council staff to remove children's story Three Little Pigs from school books

Canno tpost links as they are too numerous , but just google any of the above and see the truth for yourself.

And you talk of Olive Branches !! They have been offered acres and acres of whole olive plantations and will never be satisfied till they rule all over the world.

I am saddened that instead of being firm and saying enough is enough, you and other politically correct spineless Westerners are pandering to them.

I salute you Switzerland.

from

A VERY ANGRY BRITISH EXPAT WHOSE BLOOD PRESSURE HAS GONE OFF THE MAP

Jet Driver said...

To:

A VERY ANGRY BRITISH EXPAT WHOSE BLOOD PRESSURE HAS GONE OFF THE MAP

Fantastic! Am now on the floor laughing!

JD

Karim said...

JD

Minerates are not required for Mosques. They were invented during the umayyad dynasty to increase the reach of the Moathin "The man who yells his heart out 5 times a day". Loosing it is not a big loss, other than loosing the classical image of a mosque.

Slim said...

Ah, those hard done by Muslims. Sigh. :-)

I do agree that the more extreme elements of ALL religions tend stoke the fire with things like this. I'm sure there will be more of a backlash in the UK in the coming years too. Not good.

BTW, What would happen if a Christian group tried to build a church with spire and accompanying bits in Oman? (Oman being as close to a Muslim-land Switzerland as I can think).

Slim said...

Take a look at how well these buildings fit into a suburban UK landscape. Not:

http://thumbsnap.com/v/txNLTAcH.jpg

Of course, Christian religious buildings have their own minarets too ;-)

http://butlerandprincetours.co.uk/images/stpauls.jpg

Anonymous said...

It's incredibly childish to go 'but they ban church spires!! So why can't we ban their mosque minarets??'.

Besides the fact that two wrongs don't make a right, please consider the low standard that you are comparing yourself to. Most Muslim countries today aren't the most tolerant in the world - everyone knows that.

Is this really how you want governments to operate? A trivial eye for an eye, like a pair of five year olds at the school playground?

I have a better suggestion: be the bigger man (so to speak); don't stoop down to the level of those in the wrong.

It is unfortunate that human beings are such sheep, subject to shallow populist whims. Let's strive to rise above that, irrespective of what others do.

-Omani in US

Anonymous said...

'It is unfortunate that human beings are such sheep, subject to shallow populist whims'
Actually, that's called democracy, and if you disagree with the majority vote you either lump it, or start a group to (legally)campaign against it. That's why democracies have numerous political parties.

'Wouldn't my country/the world be a much better place if everyone just did what I decided was best, and while we're at, let's get rid of everyone that disagrees with me?' (insert your favourite dictator's name here)

Slim said...

My point is that church spires are just as bad and any new buildings like this need to be very carefully thought out and placed.

Anonymous said...

Having just read the comments from Anonymous to Jet Driver. The hatred towards ,muslims in his statements is soo evident. As a Sun/ Daily Express and Daily Mail reader it is quite clear that he is a free thinking independent intellectual individual, NOT!
That is the sort of sensationalist crap that we read everday in the UK and this guy hasn't got a clue about Muslims or Islam. If the UK purports to freedom and democracy which muslims exercise in the UK, surley that should apply to everyone, He needs to open his eyes and see what Islam offers both as a rich culture, and if he is one of the expats who thinks he lives in Colonial times, he needs to wake up and see whats going on. He is probably one of those white working class chavs who is living the good live in Oman despite hating muslims and Islam, what a bloody hypocrite.

As a concerned muslim who is well aware of the hatred and racism that muslims suffer in the UK each day. The institutional racism by government and local authorities with little or no funding for areas where muslims live, no education funding or development in areas such as Bradford, Birmingham and Oldham. Muslims live a very difficult life with high unemployment, little education opportunities. Hate crimes, which highlights a recent case of a Qatari youngster beaten to death in a seaside town whilst learning English. Muslims arrived in the early 50's at a time when Industrial Britain needed workers. Britiain has raped, pillaged its former colonial subjects and Britain is built on the slave trade and having robbed India, Africa. See Bristol, Liverpool, Cardiff and its old commuinities of Yemeni workers going back to the early 1900's.

I wish people would wake up and get their facts right rather than being facist's

Anonymous said...

Anon,

I have no problem with banning minarets on purely architectural grounds, e.g. the want of preserving a certain skyline. However, that is not the reason here.

The reason given here is because minarets 'encourage extremist tendencies'. Er, what? Has there been a scientific study to empirically back this fact up? Somehow I doubt it, and suspect it's simply a case of jingoism reminiscent of the various witch trials popular in the 16th century.

So I am curious, since you support this ban, you do genuinely believe that the very presence of a minaret brings out extreme Islamist tendencies? Because if you do believe this without any empirical verification, well, the situation becomes rather like an evolutionist arguing against a pure creationist.

But 'it's called democracy'. Yes, well, I like to think that with great power comes great responsibility to make educated decisions. But perhaps I am delusional.

Pure democracy also brought Hitler to power. I don't know if you earn your living tax-free in a Muslim country, but pure-democracy there would bring a bunch of anti-Western Islamists to power, causing most westerners to leg it ASAP. Pure democracies grant great power to abuse and marginalise minorities.

In conclusion, the issues at root are all rather complicated. Votes based on suspect (or less diplomatically: nonsensical) justification constitute an extremely short-sighted solution (if you can even call it a 'solution') that can only have detriments in the long term.

If you remain a pure fan of uneducated mob rule, then I unfortunately am not competent enough to make a better argument.

-Omani in US

Jet Driver said...

Everyone:

I'm sorry I spoke at this stage, but the issue is too sensitive and too important to just leave in the sidelines of the internet.

Why is stuff like this not being covered in the newspapers?


JD

Undercover Dragon said...

OK. we know the answer to that.

Now its your turn to get off your posting ass...

Anonymous said...

To:

A VERY ANGRY BRITISH EXPAT WHOSE BLOOD PRESSURE HAS GONE OFF THE MAP

If you are so anti muslim what the hell are you doing sponging off this country!
GET OUT OF OMAN!

Nadia said...

What the HECK is all this arguing about?

A) Minarets are in no way connected to extremists. They're just beautiful Islamic architecture!

B) The mosque in my neighborhood in Salalah has no minaret. YES IN OMAN. Does that mean we can't pray? Of course not!

C) If Switzerland wishes to be shallow and childish, then let it be and we will laugh.They've stooped so low.

D) Why the hell would you bring up Saudi in this argument? Saudi is a completely fundamental society full of hypocrits and most Muslims do not agree with the way Saudi Arabia functions.

E)Whoever said the muezzin was howling should know that in most Western countries, they never say the call to prayer out loud unless it's a purely Muslim neighborhood.

F) If we're all working towards the greater good by banning minarets and hijab and what-not to save the world and discourage extremits, then why don't we ban everything else that's harmful like alcohol or drugs or weapons, or fast food or cell phones?

Switzerland, grow up.
Pissed off readers, grow up.
Get a life.

Jet Driver said...

Nadia

Hats off to you!

JD

The other Day said...

It would have much more appreciated
if people of
Switzerland can come together and ask its govt to open up all the account details for all the corrupt politicians, bearucrates of under developed and developing countries.